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		<title>By: 13 plugins that will make WordPress into a CMS : WP Garage</title>
		<link>http://wpgarage.com/themes/zdnet-says-wordpress-not-clunky-but-also-not-cms/comment-page-1/#comment-61427</link>
		<dc:creator>13 plugins that will make WordPress into a CMS : WP Garage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I posted about why I think WordPress is a CMS. This led to a pretty interesting discussion in the comments on the topic, but it was [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joomla Template Creator</title>
		<link>http://wpgarage.com/themes/zdnet-says-wordpress-not-clunky-but-also-not-cms/comment-page-1/#comment-57899</link>
		<dc:creator>Joomla Template Creator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 02:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joomla is a top notch CMS and this post is a perfect example why. Thank you for this information.</description>
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		<title>By: 10 plugins that will make WordPress into a CMS &#124; Wordpress Garage</title>
		<link>http://wpgarage.com/themes/zdnet-says-wordpress-not-clunky-but-also-not-cms/comment-page-1/#comment-37346</link>
		<dc:creator>10 plugins that will make WordPress into a CMS &#124; Wordpress Garage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I posted about why I think WordPress is a CMS. This led to a pretty interesting discussion in the comments on the topic, but it was [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Open Source mobile edition</title>
		<link>http://wpgarage.com/themes/zdnet-says-wordpress-not-clunky-but-also-not-cms/comment-page-1/#comment-19273</link>
		<dc:creator>Open Source mobile edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Also, when our own Dennis Howlett learned of last year&#039;s decision, he told Larry Dignan WordPress was not a CMS at all. Larry then corrected his own post to note that ZDNet, which runs WordPress, also runs a separate [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dalton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dalton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there,
I just wanted to chime in as I  just recently launched a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.storycorps.net&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;decent sized site&lt;/a&gt; using Wordpress as the CMS. We went with Wordpress because I&#039;m familiar with it, it was running some of the site functions already, and it&#039;s generally pretty easy to use. It is indeed a very flexible platform. In my experience with this site, however, I don’t think Wordpress is quite ready for primetime in regards to anything more than basic CMS functions.

We came upon a few problems during implementation that required a lot of work-arounds, and even one or two serious bugs that haven’t really been adressed yet. We&#039;re missing features that you might find on a more fully-featured CMS, like revision history, true workflow and moderation, etc. Some of these have been attempted via plugins, but they&#039;re not really there yet.

All in all it was a learning experience and Wordpress has come a &lt;em&gt;long way &lt;/em&gt;in a very short time. I just have to say that anyone thinking of putting together a site of any significant size should definitely weigh the pros and cons before deciding on Wordpress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there,<br />
I just wanted to chime in as I  just recently launched a <a href="http://www.storycorps.net" rel="nofollow">decent sized site</a> using Wordpress as the CMS. We went with Wordpress because I&#8217;m familiar with it, it was running some of the site functions already, and it&#8217;s generally pretty easy to use. It is indeed a very flexible platform. In my experience with this site, however, I don’t think Wordpress is quite ready for primetime in regards to anything more than basic CMS functions.</p>
<p>We came upon a few problems during implementation that required a lot of work-arounds, and even one or two serious bugs that haven’t really been adressed yet. We&#8217;re missing features that you might find on a more fully-featured CMS, like revision history, true workflow and moderation, etc. Some of these have been attempted via plugins, but they&#8217;re not really there yet.</p>
<p>All in all it was a learning experience and Wordpress has come a <em>long way </em>in a very short time. I just have to say that anyone thinking of putting together a site of any significant size should definitely weigh the pros and cons before deciding on Wordpress.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Hoyt Dot Com &#187; Use Body ID/Class to Control Wordpress Page Elements</title>
		<link>http://wpgarage.com/themes/zdnet-says-wordpress-not-clunky-but-also-not-cms/comment-page-1/#comment-768</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren Hoyt Dot Com &#187; Use Body ID/Class to Control Wordpress Page Elements</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 03:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] me, this bit of code (which I wish came default) is another link in the chain toward exploiting Wordpress&#8217;s potential as a CMS.    Posted in CSS, Wordpress, Code on December 23rd, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] me, this bit of code (which I wish came default) is another link in the chain toward exploiting Wordpress&#8217;s potential as a CMS.    Posted in CSS, Wordpress, Code on December 23rd, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Tremblay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Tremblay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems most of the discussion on this topic arises out of people&#039;s direct experience: those who&#039;ve had some good experience with a group blog running WordPress are likely to call it CMS while folk who might have rolled out a Drupal install will quite confidently say No Way!

So &quot;user experience&quot; comes up ... and rightly so, I&#039;d say. Because that, for me, is the bottom line. But that user experience is determined largely by expectations; if WordPress is seen as failing to deliver like it was expected to deliber what it was never designed to do. Which, of course, is fair enough: it&#039;s meant to be a blogging platform. I&#039;d say that even &lt;a href=&quot;http://codex.wordpress.org/WordPressMU&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WordPress MultiUser&lt;/a&gt; isn&#039;t meant to be a CMS. What intrigues me: better to use WordPress in conjunction with something like Drupal? or better to push WPMU towards a bigger feature set?

@Miriam (Hello!) No better example of how user experience rules than your &quot;have become “accustomed to putting up with guff.”&quot; ... I&#039;d suggest that&#039;s precisely the case. What really caught me with your &quot;I find it much easier to write posts in Windows Live Editor, so I don’t use the WordPress editor much, just for tweaking drafts before publication.&quot; is that this is just where the editor fails me: I can easily write an item in the WYSIWYG view, but if I make adjustments on the source then I&#039;m likely to encounter all sorts of wierdness: it&#039;s precisely in the &quot;tweak&quot; phase that I find myself contradicted. But I don&#039;t want to distract this thread; with respect I&#039;ll invite those interested by this to visit &lt;a href=&quot;http://codex.wordpress.org/User:Bentrem/EditorScratch&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my wiki page in codex.wordpress&lt;/a&gt;.

cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems most of the discussion on this topic arises out of people&#8217;s direct experience: those who&#8217;ve had some good experience with a group blog running WordPress are likely to call it CMS while folk who might have rolled out a Drupal install will quite confidently say No Way!</p>
<p>So &#8220;user experience&#8221; comes up &#8230; and rightly so, I&#8217;d say. Because that, for me, is the bottom line. But that user experience is determined largely by expectations; if WordPress is seen as failing to deliver like it was expected to deliber what it was never designed to do. Which, of course, is fair enough: it&#8217;s meant to be a blogging platform. I&#8217;d say that even <a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/WordPressMU" rel="nofollow">WordPress MultiUser</a> isn&#8217;t meant to be a CMS. What intrigues me: better to use WordPress in conjunction with something like Drupal? or better to push WPMU towards a bigger feature set?</p>
<p>@Miriam (Hello!) No better example of how user experience rules than your &#8220;have become “accustomed to putting up with guff.”&#8221; &#8230; I&#8217;d suggest that&#8217;s precisely the case. What really caught me with your &#8220;I find it much easier to write posts in Windows Live Editor, so I don’t use the WordPress editor much, just for tweaking drafts before publication.&#8221; is that this is just where the editor fails me: I can easily write an item in the WYSIWYG view, but if I make adjustments on the source then I&#8217;m likely to encounter all sorts of wierdness: it&#8217;s precisely in the &#8220;tweak&#8221; phase that I find myself contradicted. But I don&#8217;t want to distract this thread; with respect I&#8217;ll invite those interested by this to visit <a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/User:Bentrem/EditorScratch" rel="nofollow">my wiki page in codex.wordpress</a>.</p>
<p>cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, I missed the bit about it being run on WordPress until recently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I missed the bit about it being run on WordPress until recently.</p>
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		<title>By: Miriam Schwab</title>
		<link>http://wpgarage.com/themes/zdnet-says-wordpress-not-clunky-but-also-not-cms/comment-page-1/#comment-774</link>
		<dc:creator>Miriam Schwab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan - as I said about Seeking Alpha: it was run on WP until recently. A few months ago they did a major overhaul and built their own system.

And yes, I do have inside info on that site. It was founded by Israelis and many of the writers are located in Israel and I know them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan &#8211; as I said about Seeking Alpha: it was run on WP until recently. A few months ago they did a major overhaul and built their own system.</p>
<p>And yes, I do have inside info on that site. It was founded by Israelis and many of the writers are located in Israel and I know them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miriam - How do you know that http://seekingalpha.com/ is a WordPress site? There&#039;s no /wp-admin/ folder and no mention on WordPress anywhere in their code, although both are fairly easy to remove, so that doesn&#039;t prove it isn&#039;t runing on WordPress. It certainly could be created with WordPress, I&#039;m just wondering how you know. Do you have inside info?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miriam &#8211; How do you know that <a href="http://seekingalpha.com/" rel="nofollow">http://seekingalpha.com/</a> is a WordPress site? There&#8217;s no /wp-admin/ folder and no mention on WordPress anywhere in their code, although both are fairly easy to remove, so that doesn&#8217;t prove it isn&#8217;t runing on WordPress. It certainly could be created with WordPress, I&#8217;m just wondering how you know. Do you have inside info?</p>
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